Windscreen wiper fluid is not something I use. The first coat was rough, of course, because it was so thin. But honestly, they thin and spray so well with Mr. Color Thinner that I simply wouldn't bother. The most importand negative effect is color fading and killing of the uv filter protection. As for windscreen wiper fluid - the thought never occurred to me. Paste is used for clear coates, like pigments are for color coates, the soap will damage those and you get the same result in time. The formula change happened when they switched to the smaller 10ml bottles. Second, the Great Wall Hobby Su-35 of #Flankoff fame. And a clear coat over the decal doesn't seem to help either. These decals had a whole other problem – thickness – that we’ll get to in a minute. TIA, I’ve brushed Tamiya X-22 onto areas where I later applied decals and it stood up to Solvaset. You just need to keep certain aspects in mind regarding the painting process. I laid the second coat on a little thicker, and ended up with major orange peel and even plenty of rough spots. Recently I'm struggling with wrinkles of decals when I spray a clear lacquer coat over. Welcome to HyperScale's Discussion, Picture Posting & Trading Forums, Like a lot of folks, I find myself using more and more acrylic paints.  I usually use the current edition of Pledge with Future Shine Floor Polish as a gloss coat before applying decals.  Some decals can be tough to get to conform to surface features and may require multiple applications of Micro Sol and/or Solvaset to wrangle into submission.  Some of these decal setting solutions have spotted or attacked Future requiring decal removal and repairs to the Future gloss coat.  Is Tamya X-22 acrylic gloss clear any better standing up to hot decal solvents? Seems to help prevent them from lifting over time. Some time ago I experienced cracking of Gunze paint after applying a thick coat of Future. Since switching to x-22 I have not had any problem with micro sol or set damaging the clear coat. The resin shell (Pre-Wing) has been finished with Tamiya rattle can primer. I dont think it would attack any paint as you only use a very few and wipe the excess a few seconds after setting the decal. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Applying clear coat can harm decals. Two follow-up questions: 1. Great looking car when finished. I find it fine with Microset and Mr Mark Setter - I've not seen any problems at all (very thin airbrushed X-22 + Tamiya Lacquer Thinner). Simple to build. At the moment i have the Alclad clear coats, gloss and mat stand ready to try, but due to my accident i need to wait a further more to try them out. If you have vintage decals spray them with clear enamel in a spray can from ACE.If you dont clear coat them the old decals will fall apart as you are soaking them.I have used this method many times on bikes and vintage campers.After you spray the decal you have to cut it as close as you can around the edges before soaking,If you dont cut off the excess around the decal you will have big … Final Finishing - Lotus 25 - posted in Scratch building: I recently completed this build for an upcoming proxy for 1.5 liter 1960s Grand Prix cars. I don't have the Testors "decal bonder" spray. For good decals, gloss coat, apply the decals, then gloss coat again. About the fact of laying thin layers of paint.... that's true, better to lay 5 thin layers then to lay one thick one......why?? Yep, you can pretty much put anything you want over X-22 once it has cured, save for hot lacquers. Allow the paint to be clear-coated to fully cure before applying TS79. Some years of that career i worked in a labo, and there i learned all this stuff. I'd agree with Kev -Tamiya X22 is great. Kev MikeC , Marcel111 , Bravo52 and 2 others Step 1 I brushed on the decal solution and let it worked over the decals, after letting the clear dry over night. NOTE: TAMIYA TS paint is not designed to be used with clear Polycarbonate/LEXAN R/C body shells. I am thinking about applying a coat of Modelmaster gloss enamel over the acrylics I use as a way of providing a protective layer, any thoughts on that? Make sure to test clear coating over decals before applying to a finished project. Working pressure is approx 12 psiPeter. Marcel111, ;-) Don't forget that Future is a floor polish, it's not designed to be airbrushed onto models. Applying clear coat can harm some decals. Doing a USAF Thunderbird, plan on using two bob decals over Tamiya fine white primer as color coat. I have a set of Maktar masks I'm kind of dying to try out for the National Insignia. Is Tamiya TS-80 any good? I always used Tamiya TS-13 clear over decals and paint on slot cars. Not meant to criticise in any way. It seems the lacquer thinner (Tamiya) is the best as it takes just the good time to dry. However, I chalk it up more to the paint and clear coat not being 100% cured. Clear-coating over decals might work excellent for rim caps! ... then try painting over the decals with … is forgiving and easy to use. If the decals get damaged you have to strip the car down and start all over. To avoid the risk I coat decals with Future before I put on the final clear coat, since I started doing that I have not had any problems with damaged decals. Hi Curt, I use the Aqua Gloss over BMF (and other) finishes, shooting first just where the decals go on. Just I'm risk averse. The clear coat it's decanted from a spray can. You've used Tamiya rattlecan spray paint for you base colors. Can Tamiyas Finishing polishing compound be used over top coated decals? Just a little bit of this fluid has enough toxic that it will damage seriously you're health. Is it safe to use as a clear coat over airbrushed Tamiya Acrylics (X/XF)? MarcelI paint almost exclusively with acrylics and fortunately have never experienced any cracking problems of either the clear top coats or the paint itself. I have also thought of using the Mr. Surfacer UV Cut Gloss Coats, but am a little anxious about trying out a new product. Just don't let it excessively pooled over the decals for long periods, otherwise it's possible it could melt the clear coat and possibly the decals too, though I had never had that happened. I could have warned you about masking over decals with Tamiya tape - from personal experience! For Polycarbonate applications please use Tamiya PS spray paint. TS65 Pearl Clear gives the underlying paint of a model a pearlescent final finish. Future/Klear is acrylic paint without any pigment. Then, you will used a solvent based clear coat like Alclad, that's ok, because you can do that, but only if you airbrush the Alclad clear coat in very thin layers with a pause of several minutes between the layers......why?? When you put one thick layer of clear coat, the solvents need a long time to vaporize, and will effect the acrylic paint, with the well know results. ... Decals adhere better to gloss or semigloss finishes. I regularly use for gloss:Testors GlosscoteAlclad GlossThe original Kleer - PledgeIn each case I start by thinning the gloss to at least 50/50, apply in very thin, light layers and build up the gloss as needed. First you need to know from which substances windscreen wiper fluid is made, and this is fairly simple : shampoo, windex, dish soap and methanol that is also present in the windex fluid. The answer to this question is an easy one for me: Tamiya X-22 Clear Gloss acrylic, thinned with Mr. Color Thinner. Just don't let it excessively pooled over the decals for long periods, otherwise it's possible it could melt the clear coat and possibly the decals too, though I had never had that happened. It works most of the time, but it's not guaranteed to do so. It's easy. I am sure Tamiya does a glossclear. However, the whole affair has left me a little anxious to the problem, I would like to eliminate the risk altogether, so I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a "safe" gloss coat that can be used over acrylics (I use Tamiya, Vallejo, Lifecolor and am moving away from Gunze because of this). Make sure to test clear coating over decals before applying to a finished project. When you add decals to your motorcycle or other vehicle as décor, you will want to add a clear coat over the top of the decal. The solvents in the clear coate need time to vaporize, if you put thin layers on you're model, then the solvents will not have the time to tackle the acrylic paint underneat, but vaporize in an instand. Some people have had no problems simply by spraying light mist coats to cover the decals followed by slightly heavier wet coats. I don't know why their flat coat says not to use over decals. After decals, another coat of Aqua Gloss over the decals and overall, then weathering, etc. You can also use the Levelling variety, or even Tamiya's own branded lacquer thinner. all the ink came off. Hi, I'm not that new to the hobby. I've damaged airbrushed coats of X-22 with multiple applications of decal solvent. color coat and top coat. As where I painting out in the garage. Its not any stronger or more durable than any of their other paints if that gives you any indication... Â. I used Solvaset on decals over X-22 Clear without any problems. Any tips why? Applying clear coat can harm some decals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylic_paint. But. Tamiya paint, Tamiya thinner: Using the same brands guarantees compatibility. Once you painted the subject with a acrylic paint, it is possible to use different sort's of clear coats. Same acrylic based ones, enamel based ones, and even solvent based ones are surely possible. NOTE: TAMIYA TS paint is not designed to be used with clear Polycarbonate/LEXAN R/C body shells. How does Tamiya Clear X-22 Acrylic hold up to decal setting solutions. Thanks for all the replies.  I think I am going to pick up a bottle of X-22 and try it.  It can be used for final gloss coats on my car models if nothing else.  Sounds like the key to good results is to let it cure for several days. i want to clear coat it gloss so the decals go on nice. I know, many modelers used this, and say, "that works fine for me", but windscreen wiper fluid causes more then only thinning the paint. After the decals were down, I sprayed a coat of Gunze C181 semi-gloss clear. With a few materials and a little of your time, you can clear-coat decals yourself. ... at least 24 hours before handling the model — and longer than that if the paint is especially thick or you are going over it with another coat of color or clear. Acrylic (Tamiya X-22, Future, etc.) I usually thin it with some Tamiya lacquer thinner 1 to 1 and a few drops of retarder. I am a retired Chemist so I know it is voodoo science when dealing with chemical formulations. Mission Models MMP quick clear coat and decal application demonstration video. List of reasons you might want to clear-coat over decals: It’s a safari vehicle or mud-bogger and you’ll be driving it deep into the mud daily, then clear-coating could add a second layer of durability. Nothing new. I can only get the temp up to about 45-50 degrees and we keep the house at 65ish degrees. For Polycarbonate applications please use Tamiya … It is a lacquer formulation, which brand of clear coat is safe to seal decals? This is a good way to use with all sort's of clear coats, and also color coats of different sort's and brands. It' s a fairly simple explanation, soap is an enemy of paint, because it breaks down some substances that are present in the paint, the most importand is the pigment, that colors the paint. After a quick coat of Tamiya X-22, the issue went away entirely. I always used Tamiya TS-13 clear over decals and paint on slot cars. An example : you paint you're model with an acrylic based paint, first let it dry for 24 houres. The paint will flake off. I was wondering if you help , I am working on my 1/350 scale tos enterprise and i have my base color on the hull which is tamiya acrylic . (I don’t use any other setting solutions.). I want to clear coat to protect the decals after they are put on. This fluid is the most dangerous part of the the whole windscreen fluid, because it's very toxic. At the moment i'm looking for a good clear coat to use, previous brands didn't give me positive results. As for decal solvents: Microsol and Mr Mark Softer are also ok, but I must admit that I usually take care to apply the decal solvent only to the decal - I wick away any that spill into the surrounding area. the first attempt failed as soon as I put it in water. They seemed to work out OK with that approach. This was however, using their original paint formula which Tamiya changed after many people experienced cracking issues with their paints, especially the clear ones. Make sure to test clear coating over decals before applying to a finished project. You've used Patto's waterslide's for your decals. Modelling experience is helpful but if it’s a first attempt worth ago for the price. I will give Tamiya X-22 a go since it is Acrylic. Make sure to test clear coating over decals before applying to a finished project. I may spray a coat of clear then decal and seal with another coat … Sign up for a new account in our community. The paint will flake off. Alcohol seems to make it dry faster but sometimes the aspect is not so good and doesn't self-level as good as with Tamiya lacquer thinner. I don't even use it in my car! Depending upon the desired finish, I'll then topcoat overall with any of the Alclad II clear finishes, including dead flat. Of course, your other option is to just rip the entire decal off and redo it. After spending hours building, I don't want to risk mucking it up with the painting. In that way the first clear coat layer will protect you're underneat acrylic paint, now you can build up safely you're clear coat layers until you are happy with the result. I always clear coat over the top of the decals (for hard bodies). I used the tamiya spray paint for the black then clear coat over decals. It may cost me more, but compared to the cost of the model, it's small. I know, many people would say......yeah right, and i understand that, but i know all of these facts because i was a profesional painter for about 25 years, in a factory that manufactured paint. 2. Skill required to apply decals. One thing is for sure, these clear coats can used on acrylic coats, no problem at all, that i allready tryed, but i need a good clear coat which give me a smooth and nice layer image. I don't know why their flat coat says not to use over decals. Call me old fashioned and conservative, but I largely stick to manufacturers thinners.Â. The surface is painted with tamiya pure white spray paint and it left a semi-gloss finish and where some small areas must have got a little more paint it is glossier. Clear coating helps to protect the decal from peeling, cracking or sustaining other damage from exposure to the elements. Blakbird's RC. First i wanna say that i also tried previous the use of Future with my airbrush, but for me, that is a no go. Depending on the kind of clear you use, it may also help prevent color fading by blocking UV light. Hard, high gloss finish without having to buff. And Tamiya's X-22 is a terrific clear gloss; far superior to floor polish in my opinion, and safe to use over most other paints. But maybe the most importand fact is the methanol. For clear coats it will yellow in time because of the negative effect of the soap on, one of the substances, the paste. I'm trying some custom stripes and I'm using Testors clear decal film. And Tamiya's X-22 is a terrific clear gloss; far superior to floor polish in my opinion, and safe to use over most other paints. ... As this is for a car, its a bit out of my area, i only want enough of a gloss to apply decals. I'm not saying this is the methode, it is just how i paint my models. Im lazy. If you use TS- 13 over decals test it on spare decals to see how much they can take. Hate to stat the obvious, but could you use a glass clear coat. The clear coat is Krylon Triple-Thick Cyrstal Clear Glaze 0500 (recommended by a Model Maker at work). If the clear edges start to lift or curl, they are starting to burn! Now Id like to have a flat coat from the can. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, PLANE TALKING - HyperScale's Aircraft Scale Model Discussion Forum. I hope my explanation is clear, because English isn't my mother language. I then tried Tamiya clear thinned waaaaayyyy thin with Mr Leveling Thinner. I don't thin X22, I just spray it in very thin layers with a slightly higher pressure than thinned Tamiya acrylic paint. You've applied misted layers with a thicker final layer of top coat. Many people have good results with it, but i think even more people encounter issues with it. The final clear coat can be whatever you want to use for the over all look you are wanting to … This will prevent the clear coat from cracking due to different cure rates from the paint underneath. Also, because the thickness of the clear coat layer, there will be color disorder, and crackling problems. I always wait a few days before applying decals to ensure the X-22 has properly cured. I know loads of people who use Future & all sorts of automotive based chemicals with results at least as good. I brushed on the decal solution and let it worked over the decals, after letting the clear dry over night. will clear coating with matte after decals work with little issue. ... Is it safe to use over decals i.e. By You've used Microsoft (or any other decal softener) to firmly set the decals. But it is a gloss coat. I hate cleaning the airbrush and Ive read a lot of good stuff about Tamiya spray cans. In general, use the manufacturer's clear coat. I have in the past used Windex (an ammonia-based window cleaner) to thin Gunze and Tamiya acrylics, and while it works, it seemed to make the paints less durable (as Carl mentioned), and they definitely dried a little softer. All of these thinners are relatively mild, but do a great job on these paints - better than any other alternative I've tried. Cheap price. Moreover it's not a solvent at all. My question are: 1. The following shows the application of a decal to Tamiya’s 1/35th M113 armoured personnel carrier. For best results allow up to one week. Now. Trying to build a hot box this fall to help with curing parts. Now, I did have it bubble a decal once when I was gloss coating a race car model, but honestly I think it was more me getting heavy handed and not waiting for … I swear by using Future as my decal solvent. 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